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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 07:57:30 -
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Olleg wrote:As I see EVE is still invaded by Suicide Gankers. Developers do nothing because this is not conflict with game mechanic. But, lets look from other side. There are NPC empires. And there are constantly repeated crime. What will do a real empire in this case? It will change law. What can be changed? For instance. If someone blow property of other player in empire space he will lost not only security standing, but also he will owe money to the property owner. And before he return the dept he will wear status "outlaw". This will not give problem in case of engaging by mistake, on one hand, but on other professional suicide gankers will get feeling of real outlaw and civil force will have fair chance to protect honest traders.
- it is within the mechanics - but one thing is really broken: a highsec ganker can do it again and again and again! So police or any other security forces are just cunts, a change would help solving that issue. Like highsec gankers would get something like extra long timer like jump fatique ! There is a difference between lowsec and highsec so why not force highsec gankers to fly only unarmed or non combat ships when destroyed several times for the same crime (ganking defenseless ships)? I understand the issue to play with the mechanics but i think it shouldn-¦t be that easy to do it again and again and again! - same should be in low: i can-¦t get why gate guns are stop firing after i warped of to a bounce and warped back.... as long as i-¦m suspect for a crime every sec. gun in system should go on attacking me !!! Because i-¦m a criminal using weapon systems against someone or something!
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 08:55:25 -
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Look....the only reason they can do it again and again is because some doofus of a freighter pilot puts way too much cargo value into his freighter.
Stop defending imprudent players.
No, really, stop defending people who turn their ships into literal loot pinatas.
Jesus.
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No! If i shoot someone down ...and come back 5min later to do it again and again and again! something is broken! Shooting spaceships is all i do in eve but when it comes to crime (yeah i-¦m a pirate too) nothing will stop em but real punishment! So being able to gank again and again and again is not meant for 20+ bil freighters only but mining ships in belts etc. This need to be changed!!! Same in low! Let every gate gun shoot me and every gun on stations until my "CRIME-TIMER" is over!
GIVE SEC-FORCES BRAIN!!!!!
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 09:43:29 -
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What is broken is that the pilot you are shooting has not learned his lesson.
How often must you derp a ship before you stop derping your ships?
Don't be dumb. Don't be imprudent. Learn how the game works. If you don't know ask. There are lots of people here who would be glad to help.
Hell, I'd help you. If you posted, I just bought a freighter what can I do to minimize my risk to a freighter gank? I'd answer politely and with what I considered solid advice.
1. Don't put too much in the freighter in terms of isk value. 2. Fit a tank. 3. Use a scout. 4. Have the scout fit webs. 5. Don't be afraid to dock up and wait for it to be safer.
Others might have additional advice.
But to sit here and say, "No I should be allowed to be a moron and not suffer the consequences!" Makes you and entitle brat.[/quote]
YOU don-¦t get it or are you just ignoring it! I-¦m saying that it is a broken mechanic when you can do a crime again and again and again! Same when you just warp of gate and warp++ back to avoid gate guns! And all your steps 1. to 6. doesn-¦t help anyone to get out alive if they are a target of suck a gank!
Noone should be feel safe anywhere in EVE but ppl doing 24/7 nothing else than ganking in high are a problem esp. when it is comming to new players!
So my wishes are really easy ... if you do a crime more often why should anyone allow you to get into their space with an armed ship? The meta are really stupid here! I think giving concord more brain would help :_) ...and again same for gate guns etc.!
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 10:24:44 -
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I don-¦t have issues with the mechanics other than i-¦m thinking they are stupid! Look i-¦m doing nothing more in eve than shoot spaceships.... not npcs (esp. not the NPC - Miners in low!!! cause they are OP!!!) And i don-¦t need to learn the meachanics because i-¦m using em ...but still i-¦m thinking they are stupid! The mechanics are helping gankers more than they are helping the victims! And the meta is even more broken when ppl make money with it because you use cheap as **** ships to get a lot of loot dropped! And as a known criminal the sec forces are waiting you to do it again! So they are just watching! I can see that your point of view "gankers view" is different but this is ok and of course i won-¦t call you dumb .
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 10:33:25 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:GROUND XERO wrote:And as a known criminal the sec forces are waiting you to do it again! So they are just watching! I can see that your point of view "gankers view" is different but this is ok and of course i won-¦t call you dumb . So if we for example introduce a police force, who proactively hunt players with negative sec status, would that fix the game for you?
nope because they can just buy tags!
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 11:08:10 -
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[/quote] Miner and freighter gankers usually don't use tags today, they operate as -10 characters. So if said police was introduced and we would still not use tags or they where removed, would that fix the game for you?
Also you previously made a remark about how ganking hurts new players. Can you provide evidence for that claim. Surely I would stop if you can show me that I am hurting player retention.[/quote]
No matter what would help to stop ppl doing it again and again that easy would be a good point! And as you said you can-¦t fix it with sec status!
And for the other question if i have something to proof that this has an impact on new players .... guess there isn-¦t any real one or you wouldn-¦t have offered to stop!
But if there would be some sort of evaluation why ppl are leaving i-¦m still thinking ganking, scamming can flipping, stealing mission iteams and all the rude stuff has an impact esp. when it is happening in high! And the disvalue of other ppl and it is nothing else when ppl are saying others are dumb because they don-¦t get meachanics right... might an other reason! But there are too many mights and ifs and stuff like that in my post!
So if you don-¦t want to see it as a problem you don-¦t need to! But everytime i-¦m warping of gate under gate gun fire just to warp back to avoid it and everytime i see these highsec ganking stuff i-¦m at least thinking it is broken!
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.14 13:11:44 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:GROUND XERO wrote:No! If i shoot someone down ...and come back 5min later to do it again and again and again! something is broken! Ok ok ok, I get you. 5min sounds a bit concerning. Let's make it 3 times more, something like 15min. I mean after all it is a game, 15min sounds reasonable. Would that fix the game for you? Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Nothing wrong with ganking again and again. You do realise ganking helps smart haulers and miners make more money right? Honestly don't understand what could possibly be wrong with dumb lazy players repeatedly losing to players who are smarter and work harder. Hell 15 minutes is too long. Let them wipe out more of my competition please. They obviously deserve it!
nice judgment! I don-¦t carebear at all :-)!!!
And for the evaluation they just checked killstats... first 15 days! So if you would ask ppl who are leaving after a short time.... i-¦m still thinking all the "rude" stuff together have an impact! And this ganking stuff is a part of it!
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GROUND XERO
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Posted - 2017.02.15 07:00:05 -
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So ... if you don-¦t like the mechanics you are the carebear and you are crying? ok than everything is fine !
Thx for all the real depp knowledge you chared in here but i doubt things are getting better when guys who **** mechanics are the only ppl speak in here :_)!
I-¦m will go on using the not broken mechanics on gates to happily shoot ppl just to wapr to a bounce and back no matter what timers are on me!
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